Now that WandaVision is nearly over, I've been think of how best it can be edited into a cinematic format. Certain things such as the cinematic scenes from Episode 4-(presumably) 9 are 100% keepers as they are, but the television elements from Wanda's reality are a bit more difficult to work with. Just like the rest of the Dirty30m edit, I assume that the goal will be keeping everything in chronological order whenever it's possible and makes sense. This would mean that the intercuts in Episode 4 would need to be properly situated, potentially breaking the aspect ratio game the show plays. There's also the issue of the opening and closing credits—do they stay or do they go? While the opening credits are generally stand-alone and could probably go without seriously impacting the show, the closing credits are usually a little more continuous with the episode and also get broken in Episode 5(?) when Vision dismisses them and the show continues past them. Lastly, there's the issue of the commercials in Episodes 1-3 and 5-7. The only way I can see these remaining is if the full television structure of the episodes is retained as well. But is that the best way to approach a cinematic edit of WandaVision?
What are other peoples' thoughts on this topic? How should WandaVision be edited to retain continuity without cutting anything so that it flows acceptably in a the Dirty30m edit?
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Hi, I made a 3h cut Wandavision Movie. It's not absolutely perfect, but I think it's better than watching all episodes, and it's a nice way to revisit the story. I edited for myself, but wanted to share it here too, cause I'm a huge fan of the MCU chronology, and I thought it could help a little if Dirty30m is thinking in including the Disney+ shows in the timeline (which, I think is necessary). Here's the MEGA link: https://mega.nz/file/EhtA1ThS#AVwQbFVNQPeL_MyklAH_kkx8umwpzB4GMhvpmw33WHs
imo there is really nice way to integrate all the opening and closing credits and commercials with everything. If it were my decision, as Dirty30m has done in the past, I would cut the flashback scenes from episode 8 so Wanda and "Agnes" (haha) in present day are not there (i.e., just after the flashback becomes the "scene" and until they break the fourth wall again). For the final flashback I would go until vision say "Wanda...Welcome". Then go to episode 4 and give us Monica Rambeau's entrance in modern day, all the way until Darcy notices the TV signal. When she turns it we can then integrate episodes 1,2 around the remainder of episode 4. Doing this, we can use TV intros and credits in a integrates way, where the adverts are also the time we can see wha's going on in the "real world". Using this logic, you break episode 3 and 5 with Monica's ejection around what's going on in the real world. Then from the halloween episode onward you run as everything happens, using adverts in WandaVision to explain how the real world is coping. This could all change with episode 9, but given what's going on at the moment, it seems logical that everything would continue from episode 8's ending. What do you all think?
Wow, did Dirty30m do that? I didn't realize. Now I'm even more motivated to rewatch the whole thing.
By time heist scenes I mean with every shot, audio and actions of the 2023 characters edited out of each scene, I should have clarified that.
I've just looked over the ultraedit notes again and it looks like the only scenes from Endgame that were moved were the Thanos/Gamora/Nebula scenes from pre-Guardians of the Galaxy and the scene where the Avengers are all discussing what to do after the Battle of New York. None of the actual time-heist scenes were moved, from what I can tell, although I am curious now to see how the post-BoNY scene is done since most of that scene is done in the perspective of Ant-Man. Loki also didn't disappear in the original version, so I'm not sure how that's handled in the ultracut. As soon as Black Widow (and hopefully WandaVision) are integrated into the next ultracut, I'll give the whole thing another go, but I've been waiting for Black Widow's inclusion much longer than I planned due to it getting delayed so much.
Yes, the unaltered elements of the 2012 Time Heist scenes were both edited into the first Avengers movie, and left intact in Endgame. In fact, the flashbacks from episode 8 would require less edits that Endgame's 2012. As for the missile, Agatha said the mind stone only amplified what was already existing. Since the X-Men franchise no longer depends on separated ownership, they can reestablish Wanda as a mutant.
I disagree that it's the same as the Endgame scenes. Those aren't flashbacks--those are people from the present actually going back in time to change the past. While the scenes are in a sense flashbacks, the modern people are changing them so they aren't true flashbacks and they can't be separated from the historical elements. In contrast, most of the scenes from Episode 8 are entirely flashback, with Wanda and Agnes just occasionally commenting on them. Nothing is changing and the two of them can be edited out of most scenes without harming the flashback.
I haven't seen the current iteration of the ultracut--the last time I watched it all the way through was just before Endgame, so before Captain Marvel and Endgame were added into it. But I did read the notes and I believe Dirty30m kept Endgame intact, right? Although they could do the same thing with WandaVision Episode 8 and that would be fine, I am just observing that it could be separated out more cleanly since the historical scenes are true flashbacks with Agnes and Wanda just observing...well, except perhaps for young Wanda trying to Hex the missile. That seems to be the only moment when there is some ambiguity. All the other scenes are just intact flashbacks. I think Episode 8 could be fairly easily disassembled into its historical components with the only real sacrifice being Agnes realizing that Wanda is not a traditional witch.
What do you mean "not really experienced in the films before"? That's pretty much the same structure as the Time Heist, past scenes with present day characters. Of course it's gonna be your second idea. Why would he do this any different than how he already did before?
Yeah, Episode 8 poses several interesting issues not really experienced in the films before. There are really two approaches that could be taken for editing this episode: 1) keep it as is without any editing except moving Agnes' origin story to 1693 (which makes it the third scene chronologically in the MCU, I believe, following the two Thor prologues); or 2) cut out Agnes and modern Wanda from most of the scenes and insert the flashbacks into their proper places. I kind of like the second idea since Agnes' main role is just guiding Wanda through her memories to finally give Wanda an origin story. It just may not flow well if you skip from her taking Wanda into the door to Agnes suddenly being outside with Wanda's children bound. But I feel like the flashbacks need to be in their proper places.
I agree that the title cards and credits (in universe) probably need to stay for thematic reasons, but the in-universe episodes will inevitably get chopped up with events happening outside the Hex.
The weekly themed credits and commercials are most likely going to say because weirdly enough that is part of the actual world (which is something this project is definitely geared towards) and even plays some part in the story when they argue. The actual end credits as well as the marvel opening will most likely be left out. At least that'd be my guess.
Also, episode 8 giving more depth to earlier phases.. lovely.
I think that the opening credits, closing credits, and commercials should all go. Those are just fillers that make a looooong epic unnecessarily longer.